Shitting dick-nipples, she recovers from ‘heartbreak’ fast. Guess screwing up her final chance to be with Nate wasn’t that big a deal, if she was able to recover so quickly. So Rose, I take this to mean that he didn’t mean all that much to you, huh?
Now, now. Just you listen here. She was… um… Oh, damnit you’re right. but then again, it could just be “hey, look I dont care that you did what you did, I’m fine” kind of sex.
But with that line of thinking, she’s also saying “I don’t care about what I did to YOU.” Let’s face it, as angry as we all were that Nate didn’t hook up with Rose, her recent actions have now got us thinking that he already saw something like this happening, and got out while he could. I mean, if she’s doing this so soon after a breakup, if it qualifies as that, with little to no remorse, and reasoning that she had done it simply because it had been several months since she had “fun”?
Oh, let’s not forget that she’s proven to be a hypocrite time and again. Most recently, after the kiss with Trevor in front of Nate, she confessed that she was being immature. Now this? Sorry, I just have no sympathy for stupidity and hypocrisy and the people who embody them.
Robert
i would argue that she didn’t get over her heartbreak fast since as far as i can see thats why she’s behaving in this way. not particularly helpful but people are not always rational, especially when they feel hurt.
Oberon
“Let’s face it, as angry as we all were that Nate didn’t hook up with Rose, […]”
Um, speak for yourself. You think Nate should be a rapist? Because that’s how the law sees it, even if the underage girl is sexually active and completely willing. And there is some amount of good point in this, as Rose is clearly unable to approach even the matter of casual sex with the amount of maturity it deserves.
Lazruth
OK, first and foremost, I do not think that, nor did I allude to that. Dating does not require sex. Please think before you post something like that.
Secondly, I actually continued reading this strip to see how the relationship progressed, and to see if they finally did get together in the end. I can only assume that other people did so for, more or less, the same reason. You included.
Thirdly, if you read through my second comment again, carefully, you’ll see that I actually agreed with Nate’s decision to back off when he did.
not only has she screwed things up with nate but now shes gonna push aya away she already didn’t like rose being a slut but to have her walk in on rose and ayas brother was a little much
Um, you may want to go back and re-read some of the early comics. Aya was encouraging Rose to get her naughty on where attempting to seduce Nate was concerned. The reason she’s been pissed about it recently is a) it’s her dickweed brother, b) she was honestly trying to get things working between Rose and Nate and having Rose shit all over that kinda sucks for her.
7 whole months! somebody get the girl a medal! alas, must be nice to have a pretty face that can end a dry spell whenever you need that “itch” scratched. too bad that is an awesome way to coin yourself as an easy-like-sunday-morning-slut
Hey! Whats the difference between a “SLUT” and a “BITCH?” Sluts f**k everyone, bitches f**k you BY f**king everyone!
To the Author:
Bravo, my good man. you have created that which stirs the strongest emotions from people. art
I assume it’s Aya’s. I think Aya would freak out if it were Trevor’s, and, really…if it were Rose’s own robe, that would show signs of forethought. In ROSE.
Jeez, what’s with all the hate? If anyone should be pissed it’s Aya. Now she’s gonna have a mental image of her step-sibling getting sweaty with her best friend whenever she sits on the couch.
“The hate” comes from the fact that the better part of this strip has been a build up of the clumsy but amusing relationship between Rose and Nate… Nate being the “everyman”, which appeals to the common reader and allows them identify with the comic more directly.
By getting over Nate so quickly (when his biggest request was that she mature and grow up a little), Rose has more or less expressed the great depths that those months with Nate meant to her. Essentially, that they were all a long waste of time in which she could’ve had random sex with dickweeds like Trevor (that’s the author’s description of him, not mine). Never mind that if she hadn’t been acting like a horrible teen drama and trying to make Nate jealous, she might’ve been making up with him like Aya planned a few days previously.
These actions are part of Rose now. She’ll never change that about herself. She may grow to be a different person some day, but right now she’s a person who has meaningless sex with dickweeds. There’s a book and website dedicated to idiot girls like this called “Hot Chicks with Douchebags”. Yup, that’s who Rose is stating to the world she is.
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Well that the best “The Reason You Suck Speech” I ever heard in my life.
Akujimalice
Agreed, and I’ll go a step further. I nearly left back when this downward spiral revealed itself as more than a standard valley. I gave it a chance and it has let me down repeatedly. This is practically an abuse of power on the part of the author. I’m ducking out here.
And if Nate is supposed to be the everyman; this is basically a reaffirmation that nice guys finish last. He may be rough, but he also had principles he tried to hold on to despite the easy path Rose kept giving him. Who knows what will happen for Nate in the future aside from Nick, but for now; he got screwed out of a date with a nice girl his age by a manipulative authority figure (and even if he does the principled thing, she can still fuck up his life as he doesn’t want to lose that job), and the girl he cared for, rebounded fast and is literally fucking the first cock to present itself.
It is a testament to the author that people feel so protective and empathetic toward the main character. But to put him in such a potentially painful situation with 3 women (1 possibly positive, and 2 negative), makes the reader, at least on some level, fear for the future in terms of the comic. Nobody wants to see themselves, or their segregates in this case, be completely crushed by life.
Dr. wonderful
Yeah, Nick is pretty good at that huh? He has the skills to actually produce a damn good webcomic…Just don’t tell him I said that, least if get into his head. >.>”
And Nate should learn to toughen up a little…Just a little, maybe a outburst here and there. I’m not saying he should punch a hole into somebody and spend ten years as a assassin but just show a little backbone.
Sooo…vicarious living through the protagonist then. Gotcha. And so, everyone is feeling hurt by proxy because she moved on quickly showing that getting dumped did not leave her an inconsolable wreck. Great. You did remember about the warning about this aspect of her character back when she was introduced, right? This was already a “part of her”, she just spent six months going after the one guy who happened to be having none of it.
Christopher
It’s far from a new development that readers will experience association with a character when reading a story or watching a movie or television show – or in this case, a webcomic. Isn’t it said that part of art is to provoke an emotional reaction out of those who are exposed to it? And when that reaction is pain, it’s perfectly normal if a person experiencing pain reacts negatively to the source of that feeling. Even if it’s only emotional. I don’t belittle those people who do feel hurt by the events happening to Nate.
In this same vein, if it’s the author’s choice to continue to encourage this negative reaction from his readers through the events he’s putting Nate through, it’s again a natural and understandable reaction if the people who are feeling hurt vicariously through these experiences will seek to remove themselves from the environment that causes these feelings.
In short, if you make your readers feel really bad, the readers will stop coming around. It’s basic psychology. Don’t blame the readers for their reaction. If the comic was written in a way that made people laugh and happy, do you congratulate the reader? No, you congratulate the author. This association is still valid when the way the readers feel is negative because of how the comic is written.
CouchOwner
That (the “not reading anymore”) is not what I have a problem with. My problem is with the PERSONAL dislike being aimed at Rose. There was a break-up. Nate got into another relationship, and Rose instead had casual sex. The response has seemed more akin to what I would expect if she did this while they were still in a relationship , or Nate was still broken up over her. Hell, the only concrete motive we have for his response to her and Trevor is that he was called down by Aya to talk it over after the fact. If I was put in the same situation I would be pissed too, because it would seem like I had been tricked to waste my time.
come on folks, lighten up, she’s 18. thinking back that far is a challenge for me, but if I remember right, at that age I’d fuck just about anything with 2 tits a hole and a heartbeat. I’m pretty sure everyone has had a break up and went out and banged , well anything available at least once
Let’s take Trevor out of the equation. If Rose was fucking some random guy, would everyone still be chastising her, calling her slut/whore/bitch and all that?
Those who did, would you be this judgmental if she was a guy?
And here I thought we were past this stupid double standard…
My thoughts exactly. It’s incredible how a woman with perfectly normal sexual desires is still being called a “slut” today whenever she gets what SHE wants, while a guy under the same circumstances would probably be seen as “behaving normally.”
Seven months with a potential lover, and nothing happened. It’s no wonder Rose went for Trevor. I can’t stand going dry with someone new for more than two weeks!
Pink Freud
I have never resorted to rebound sex. However, i have often been the ‘friend’ that these idiots turn to when their rebound sex only made them more miserable then they were about the break-up. I have to tell you, I am not amused. Honestly, I am not all that fussed about Rose & Nate. They made their choices, and from where I am sitting it was the right one. What I cannot abide is the constant attitude of self-gratification at all costs, and damned be the victims.
And one other thought, I ain’t sitting on that couch. As a person who caught a “Critters” form of VD during a dry spell from sitting on the wrong couch, I am *NOT* going there again. Dammit, if I am going to catch something, i want to enjoy it!
Last Hussar
” rebound sex only made them more miserable ”
No, not understanding this concept.
Jeri
Because most people who were actually miserable after the breakup who do this, will go for the rebound sex to try to feel like they are loved in order to try to…. idk, pretend they have that feeling of being loved by someone again, but afterword, they are usually more miserable now because of the fact that they just fucked some random person.
Rose however, does not seem to be a part of this class of women who actually regrets this kind of decision, where as this is why I don’t like her.
s00p3rb4k4
i disagree. i’m a guy, and i have no problem keeping it in my pants. my friends sometimes talk about how they’re sad that their girlfriend broke up with them, but they still go find a quick fuck, and i just give them a “what the fuck is wrong with you, you asshole” look. if rose was that upset over nate, she should have gone over to his house (or work) and talked about it with him. instead, she fucks a douche-nugget (don’t ask what a douche-nugget is, i couldn’t tell you). it wasn’t cheating, but it was still stupid. at this point in the story, if nate nails a chick BEFORE he finds out that rose was with trevor, then he’s a douchebag. if, however, he bangs tracy or the other one AFTER he finds out, good for him, vengeance is always nice.
My ex did this after the gf he had after me, with a total bitch he had no business even talking to, if he cared about some of his guy friends.
I didn’t take it lightly then, either.
And yes, he tried the whole ‘I’m a guy, I can’t control myself’ thing, Didn’t buy it.
What you’re saying is, women should be allowed behave more like sh*tty men? Forgive me if I’m putting words in your mouth, but that’s what it sounds like.
Honestly, I see this attitude even sh*ttier than the people who restrict the acceptability of this kind of behavior to men. Sure, it’s not fair, but then only half the population get away with this kind of crap, and we all suffer less. It’s not a ‘since men can do it, why can’t I?’ thing, it’s a ‘no one should do that and that shouldn’t be acceptable’ thing.
And sure, it’s Rose’s right to sleep with whoever she wants. It’s also Aya’s right to not to be friends with a bitch who puts a quick f*ck over her best friends’s well-being and relationship with her brother. Oh, she didn’t take that into consideration? That excuse ends when you get eight candles on your cake.
fancypants
Your entire argument fell apart when you said “ex” … that person is your ex, you don’t have control over their sexuality anymore no matter how much you may or may not like it. Nate and Rose are no longer together, and there is nothing wrong with her moving on, just like Nate did.
Toaster
We’re good friends. Our opinions matter to each other. I know this is a foreign concept for most people, but I like to stay friends with my exes because I actually like them as people, even without sex involved.
Also, so what? I don’t see how that applies to anything, even if it were relevant.
fancypants
You’re the one who mentioned it as a preface to your argument, but whatever …
comichero
I’m gonna have to agree with toaster here just because they are an ex doesnt mean you stop carring for their well being and try ti desuaded them from making poor life choices especialy if the two of you are really good friends I see it as a testaments to toasters humanity that she was able to maintain a working and friendly realtionship with her ex’s. its a sad day that we as a speices can be soo vandictive that we would rather see a loved one wallow in pain an suffer rather then see them happy all cause they hurt us, but on the subject of Rose and her obvious lapse of sanity what can i say that hanst been said already was it a shit thing to do yes are her moral sensablitiesand motives for being with Nate suspect to scrutiny oh my god yes does this make her a bad person compaired to mulitiude of super shitty people in the entire histroy of shitty people no shes actual a saint the fact that she remained celibate and sex free for one man for seven months speaks volumes to her character and what kinda of person she is capable of becomeing if she finds the right people to surround herself with shes reaching a cross roads in her life and she has a very difficult choice a head of her whether she will grow as a human being andbecome some one she and aya can be proud of (or in this case as a charater) or is she going to regress and become some one she and aya would be disappointed in ,im going to venture a guess and say that while with Nate rose woke up inthe morning happier and was able to smile and lookher self in the eye every morning, i dont think once it sinks in what she has done she willregret her actions even more but this could have the reverse effect i for see and send her in a down ward spiral that she’ll have trouble pulling out of
fancypants
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be kind and stay friends with your ex(s). In fact, that’s awesome. But that is still not the point. Having sex with Trevor doesn’t make Rose a bad person, and if Nate has sex with Tracy that doesn’t make him a bad person either. They are free agents. But everyone seems to be hating on Rose because she has sex with someone … so what? That’s the only point I wanted to make.
It’s fun to see everyone so passionate about it, though. However, using punctuation can really increase your effective communication skills – just a thought. 😀
comichero
True enough i and i realize and know of my horrid grammar and punctuation, and i thiought i did a fair job of being on rose’s side i wasnt condeming her in anyway, just was sayng for some one whom was rather pissed at her idiocy for ruinning off the one guy she truely cared for other then as an object for sex, she has failed to see she’s made and uber dick move, and as she is human she is welcome to make as many and stupid choices she wishes and the same goes for Nate i do recall voiceing my warning agasint getting involved with a woman like tracy where rose isnt jaded and devoid of hope tracy is fairly cynical and beyond any help she is, bitch to her very core and any one who cant see that hasnt lived with true bitchery, and i envy you all.
but yes it is very nice to see people so passionate about some one that doesnt exist in this plane of reality out side on a sheet of paper or as bits of data floating about the minutre univisre man has created that we all enjoy and loved most commonly knowen as the internet, yet its kinda sad to think that we care more fore a semi-qausi fictional charater then actual events in our troubled world then again this maybe the only outliet for those whom feel that their opinion matters not, well im done ranting for now.
Also do realize I am acutely aware of how atrocious my grammer and punctuation are so there isnt really any further need to bring it up and so long as my message, my views and feelings felt some what then Im happy.
Toaster
Rose having sex with a stranger is not a big deal.
Rose having sex with the brother of her closest friend, whose relationship with him is strained, to say the least, makes her a bad person.
Our actions don’t only affect ourselves, we have to take what they do to others into consideration. Like I said, not doing so became inexcusable around third grade. Or if you have autism.
Tyler
*applauds* someone should give you a medal XD
Jeri
You’re sort of right, but I’m appalled that people don’t understand the moral ‘wrong’ here that Rose is pulling.
Basically – Nate is in the ‘right’ by trying to have a sensible relationship with Miranda. True, Tracy is pulling a sort of advanced bitch move on him, but his actions are yet to be decided.
Rose on the other hand, is literally fucking the first cock she sees, completely abandoning the ‘moral’ concept of friendship, and relationship by just fucking for fun, and doing it with her best friend’s relative.
If you cannot see what Rose is doing as very wrong, then you really, really need to sit back and take a better, different angled look at this situation for a few minutes. And don’t forget to go look up ‘Moral’ in the dictionary first so you can understand what you need to be looking for(or a lack there of)
When I was 18/19/20 I was relaxed about this sort of thing (or as relaxed as I could be – being a bit of a Nate in the getting laid stakes) – one nighters – done it. Fuck freinds – done it.
Thomas O, to answer your questions, yes and yes. Even if you take up the previous Bill’s point, about hormones raging and stuff, Rose has a skewed view of sex. She looked back on her whole relationship with Nate as not fun because there was no sex. Her family’s whole situation doesn’t help out, and she’s ignoring when people try to help her. You want to know what I’d dealt with by the time I was 17? My dad had been divorced twice (my mom and a later wife) because of his physical abuse, dealt with a situation where my oldest half-sister on my mom’s side divorced her husband because he molested his daughter, and that’s the stuff I remember. By the time your 17 you’ve started to settle into the pattern of your life.
Rose may not have had to go through some of the stuff I had, but by 17 you’ve had to do some growing up emotionally. If she doesn’t get her head metaphorically out of her butt, she’s going to wind up just as bad as her mom, hopping into whatever bed she can find, stuck forever as trailer park trash.
What Rose did was pretty fucked up. Not because of her ‘thang’ with Nate. For better or for worse, that ship has sailed for her and she’s a free agent, at liberty to bang any cock that floats her way. The thing is, she didn’t pick just *any* cock; she picked the cock of her best friends brother just for shits and giggles. So what happens when she’s tired of him and kicks him to the curb (I cannot imagine he’s entertaining enough in the sack to keep her interest) and he becomes a whinny emo bitch and/or a violent, jealous possessive ass about Rose. Aya has to *LIVE* with that shit, which will make her family life just fracking dandy. It makes Aya’s life complicated, dragging her, whether she wanted or not, into Rose’s train wreck of a life as a mangled passenger rather than just merely a horrified bystander watching the carnage. It’s just damned selfish and I wouldn’t blame Aya for telling her to fuck off. You don’t bring your shit into someone else house, dump it into the middle of their floor cause you were too lazy to take it somewhere else and then even *pretend* you respect them or even yourself.
Rose majorly dissed Aya and I think she needs a little time in the corner to get her shit together before anyone will play with her anymore.
Rose…I tried to like you. I honestly, TRIED. But…you’ve ceased giving me a reason to. All hope is abandoned for you from this point on. You are shameless. Maybe your upbringing is to blame, but that doesn’t excuse what you did just now. This was just…oh, my God. If Aya abandons your sorry ass, I have no pity for you. You’ve dug your own grave and you’ll need to make a pretty big leap to climb back out of it. I stand by what I said a while back; you have no right to call your sister a skank when you are clearly just as bad (if not worse) than her. Your life revolves around sex, which is just pathetic, especially for someone your age. You are on a road to nowhere at this rate. You may not realize it, but your sex addiction is gonna cost you so many great experiences. Nothing’s wrong with a little casual sex; I don’t condemn those who sleep around freely. But the way you go about it, you make it as though it’s all you have to look forward to. Clearly you need help before this bites you in the ass. You can’t let sex be the only thing in your life. Boinking a guy can’t be your only goal. Get a non-sexual hobbey. Or therapy. It’s not too late to save the rest of your life while you’re still young. The now is lost, but your future can be helped. Your sex addiction has clouded your judgement and made you selfish. It’s tiem to put your panties back on and start thinking with your brain, not your reproductive system.
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Look at me, I’m so mad, I’m lecturing a fictional character who can’t hear me! Maybe i should stop staying up so late…
Oh, no I LIKE it when people get upset like this, It allowed me to see other people true reaction. Man, hadn’t have a fan backlash this hard since Zii screw that Milf in Menage’ 3
The backlash, compared to other work from the same author (like things he did in Eerie Cuties), was really not that big. You got to look at the size of the fan base as well. 1% of 100 is 1, but of 10k, it’s a 100.
Dr. wonderful
True, but it the only time I seen a thread had to be LOCKED on that site because of how upset people were and how worse the arguments were.
To tell you the truth…It was wonderful.
Wow, I came late to that party; there was a backlash?
Because, really, Vinny’s mom is a hottie! I wouldn’t mind Zii “turning the screw (If You Know What I Mean…;)” and giving repeat performances, then making sure the kid knows why she’s there.
Kind of like Bruiser in The Guild.
And let’s not forget, he has to convey all of this in 3-4 panels. This ain’t Doonesbury. There’s no room for massive amounts of internalization and soliloquy. There may well be more depth to Rose then can be conveyed in the space provided. Don’t forget that Nate’s date with Miranda was set up completely off-panel.
Then again, she could be just another vapid psycho hose beast.
122 thoughts on “Relapse”
david
okay first of all FIRST and second that is weird even if it isnt your biological brother ps rose is a big whore that is all
j
Ooooooo different four panels then the usual also even though English is my first language that is why I hate it
David Herbert
I think ROse needs to get smacked a little, just for the principle of the thing. And then I’d smack her a little, if you know what I mean.
Cartoon Eric
Rose really can’t stand not having sex for an extended period of time? She really has no control over herself, nor respect for that matter.
Mat Nastos
Rose just needed a tune-up. Nothing wrong with that.
Batboy267
You would be right if it wasn’t her frend’s brother.
Lazruth
Shitting dick-nipples, she recovers from ‘heartbreak’ fast. Guess screwing up her final chance to be with Nate wasn’t that big a deal, if she was able to recover so quickly. So Rose, I take this to mean that he didn’t mean all that much to you, huh?
FWATANG
I would like to concur with all of that and add that Nate deserves better. Maybe Tracy will end up not being such a bad thing for him.
ThatGuy
I agree that he deserves better, Tracy being it though? Doubtful.
ThatGuy
Unless she’s hiding a soul under all that a-grade bitch-style she’s got going.
(sorry, double-comment)
Justme
You sir, win the prize for the MOST adorable avatar EVAR!
Tyler
I second this
Marlon
Now, now. Just you listen here. She was… um… Oh, damnit you’re right. but then again, it could just be “hey, look I dont care that you did what you did, I’m fine” kind of sex.
Lazruth
But with that line of thinking, she’s also saying “I don’t care about what I did to YOU.” Let’s face it, as angry as we all were that Nate didn’t hook up with Rose, her recent actions have now got us thinking that he already saw something like this happening, and got out while he could. I mean, if she’s doing this so soon after a breakup, if it qualifies as that, with little to no remorse, and reasoning that she had done it simply because it had been several months since she had “fun”?
Oh, let’s not forget that she’s proven to be a hypocrite time and again. Most recently, after the kiss with Trevor in front of Nate, she confessed that she was being immature. Now this? Sorry, I just have no sympathy for stupidity and hypocrisy and the people who embody them.
Robert
i would argue that she didn’t get over her heartbreak fast since as far as i can see thats why she’s behaving in this way. not particularly helpful but people are not always rational, especially when they feel hurt.
Oberon
“Let’s face it, as angry as we all were that Nate didn’t hook up with Rose, […]”
Um, speak for yourself. You think Nate should be a rapist? Because that’s how the law sees it, even if the underage girl is sexually active and completely willing. And there is some amount of good point in this, as Rose is clearly unable to approach even the matter of casual sex with the amount of maturity it deserves.
Lazruth
OK, first and foremost, I do not think that, nor did I allude to that. Dating does not require sex. Please think before you post something like that.
Secondly, I actually continued reading this strip to see how the relationship progressed, and to see if they finally did get together in the end. I can only assume that other people did so for, more or less, the same reason. You included.
Thirdly, if you read through my second comment again, carefully, you’ll see that I actually agreed with Nate’s decision to back off when he did.
demon child
not only has she screwed things up with nate but now shes gonna push aya away she already didn’t like rose being a slut but to have her walk in on rose and ayas brother was a little much
QuietGiant
Um, you may want to go back and re-read some of the early comics. Aya was encouraging Rose to get her naughty on where attempting to seduce Nate was concerned. The reason she’s been pissed about it recently is a) it’s her dickweed brother, b) she was honestly trying to get things working between Rose and Nate and having Rose shit all over that kinda sucks for her.
Jerichow
This implying Nate was not a relative… And Rose is now fucking her step-brother which is basically as awkward as things can get between friends.
OutLaw Red
7 whole months! somebody get the girl a medal! alas, must be nice to have a pretty face that can end a dry spell whenever you need that “itch” scratched. too bad that is an awesome way to coin yourself as an easy-like-sunday-morning-slut
Hey! Whats the difference between a “SLUT” and a “BITCH?” Sluts f**k everyone, bitches f**k you BY f**king everyone!
To the Author:
Bravo, my good man. you have created that which stirs the strongest emotions from people. art
BMeph
A slut sleeps with anyone.
A bitch sleeps with anyone but you.
A whore makes you pay for her being a bitch.
Which, means, I guess, that Nate’s the bitch…bitch. 😉
Tyler
XD True
Btw, Tucker = funny as hell *points to your avatar*
zuche
Wow. A frustrated kid does something stupid and people are responding like she’d killed Nate’s childhood best friend or something.
Jerichow
It’s a normal response when a character a fan really likes does something that really, really pisses them off.
jack in chicago
Whose robe is that?
photoman86
Nice catch, I was also wondering that.
kramer
honestly i bet you its rose’s, seeing as how aya isn’t freaking out about it
BMeph
I assume it’s Aya’s. I think Aya would freak out if it were Trevor’s, and, really…if it were Rose’s own robe, that would show signs of forethought. In ROSE.
CouchOwner
Jeez, what’s with all the hate? If anyone should be pissed it’s Aya. Now she’s gonna have a mental image of her step-sibling getting sweaty with her best friend whenever she sits on the couch.
Christopher
“The hate” comes from the fact that the better part of this strip has been a build up of the clumsy but amusing relationship between Rose and Nate… Nate being the “everyman”, which appeals to the common reader and allows them identify with the comic more directly.
By getting over Nate so quickly (when his biggest request was that she mature and grow up a little), Rose has more or less expressed the great depths that those months with Nate meant to her. Essentially, that they were all a long waste of time in which she could’ve had random sex with dickweeds like Trevor (that’s the author’s description of him, not mine). Never mind that if she hadn’t been acting like a horrible teen drama and trying to make Nate jealous, she might’ve been making up with him like Aya planned a few days previously.
These actions are part of Rose now. She’ll never change that about herself. She may grow to be a different person some day, but right now she’s a person who has meaningless sex with dickweeds. There’s a book and website dedicated to idiot girls like this called “Hot Chicks with Douchebags”. Yup, that’s who Rose is stating to the world she is.
Dr. wonderful
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Well that the best “The Reason You Suck Speech” I ever heard in my life.
Akujimalice
Agreed, and I’ll go a step further. I nearly left back when this downward spiral revealed itself as more than a standard valley. I gave it a chance and it has let me down repeatedly. This is practically an abuse of power on the part of the author. I’m ducking out here.
photoman86
And if Nate is supposed to be the everyman; this is basically a reaffirmation that nice guys finish last. He may be rough, but he also had principles he tried to hold on to despite the easy path Rose kept giving him. Who knows what will happen for Nate in the future aside from Nick, but for now; he got screwed out of a date with a nice girl his age by a manipulative authority figure (and even if he does the principled thing, she can still fuck up his life as he doesn’t want to lose that job), and the girl he cared for, rebounded fast and is literally fucking the first cock to present itself.
It is a testament to the author that people feel so protective and empathetic toward the main character. But to put him in such a potentially painful situation with 3 women (1 possibly positive, and 2 negative), makes the reader, at least on some level, fear for the future in terms of the comic. Nobody wants to see themselves, or their segregates in this case, be completely crushed by life.
Dr. wonderful
Yeah, Nick is pretty good at that huh? He has the skills to actually produce a damn good webcomic…Just don’t tell him I said that, least if get into his head. >.>”
And Nate should learn to toughen up a little…Just a little, maybe a outburst here and there. I’m not saying he should punch a hole into somebody and spend ten years as a assassin but just show a little backbone.
Tyler
Nice EOC refernece
Tyler
*reference
Neil
Segregates? You’re splitting them into groups?
CouchOwner
Sooo…vicarious living through the protagonist then. Gotcha. And so, everyone is feeling hurt by proxy because she moved on quickly showing that getting dumped did not leave her an inconsolable wreck. Great. You did remember about the warning about this aspect of her character back when she was introduced, right? This was already a “part of her”, she just spent six months going after the one guy who happened to be having none of it.
Christopher
It’s far from a new development that readers will experience association with a character when reading a story or watching a movie or television show – or in this case, a webcomic. Isn’t it said that part of art is to provoke an emotional reaction out of those who are exposed to it? And when that reaction is pain, it’s perfectly normal if a person experiencing pain reacts negatively to the source of that feeling. Even if it’s only emotional. I don’t belittle those people who do feel hurt by the events happening to Nate.
In this same vein, if it’s the author’s choice to continue to encourage this negative reaction from his readers through the events he’s putting Nate through, it’s again a natural and understandable reaction if the people who are feeling hurt vicariously through these experiences will seek to remove themselves from the environment that causes these feelings.
In short, if you make your readers feel really bad, the readers will stop coming around. It’s basic psychology. Don’t blame the readers for their reaction. If the comic was written in a way that made people laugh and happy, do you congratulate the reader? No, you congratulate the author. This association is still valid when the way the readers feel is negative because of how the comic is written.
CouchOwner
That (the “not reading anymore”) is not what I have a problem with. My problem is with the PERSONAL dislike being aimed at Rose. There was a break-up. Nate got into another relationship, and Rose instead had casual sex. The response has seemed more akin to what I would expect if she did this while they were still in a relationship , or Nate was still broken up over her. Hell, the only concrete motive we have for his response to her and Trevor is that he was called down by Aya to talk it over after the fact. If I was put in the same situation I would be pissed too, because it would seem like I had been tricked to waste my time.
bill
come on folks, lighten up, she’s 18. thinking back that far is a challenge for me, but if I remember right, at that age I’d fuck just about anything with 2 tits a hole and a heartbeat. I’m pretty sure everyone has had a break up and went out and banged , well anything available at least once
Thomas O.
Let’s take Trevor out of the equation. If Rose was fucking some random guy, would everyone still be chastising her, calling her slut/whore/bitch and all that?
Those who did, would you be this judgmental if she was a guy?
And here I thought we were past this stupid double standard…
Frank
My thoughts exactly. It’s incredible how a woman with perfectly normal sexual desires is still being called a “slut” today whenever she gets what SHE wants, while a guy under the same circumstances would probably be seen as “behaving normally.”
Seven months with a potential lover, and nothing happened. It’s no wonder Rose went for Trevor. I can’t stand going dry with someone new for more than two weeks!
Pink Freud
I have never resorted to rebound sex. However, i have often been the ‘friend’ that these idiots turn to when their rebound sex only made them more miserable then they were about the break-up. I have to tell you, I am not amused. Honestly, I am not all that fussed about Rose & Nate. They made their choices, and from where I am sitting it was the right one. What I cannot abide is the constant attitude of self-gratification at all costs, and damned be the victims.
And one other thought, I ain’t sitting on that couch. As a person who caught a “Critters” form of VD during a dry spell from sitting on the wrong couch, I am *NOT* going there again. Dammit, if I am going to catch something, i want to enjoy it!
Last Hussar
” rebound sex only made them more miserable ”
No, not understanding this concept.
Jeri
Because most people who were actually miserable after the breakup who do this, will go for the rebound sex to try to feel like they are loved in order to try to…. idk, pretend they have that feeling of being loved by someone again, but afterword, they are usually more miserable now because of the fact that they just fucked some random person.
Rose however, does not seem to be a part of this class of women who actually regrets this kind of decision, where as this is why I don’t like her.
s00p3rb4k4
i disagree. i’m a guy, and i have no problem keeping it in my pants. my friends sometimes talk about how they’re sad that their girlfriend broke up with them, but they still go find a quick fuck, and i just give them a “what the fuck is wrong with you, you asshole” look. if rose was that upset over nate, she should have gone over to his house (or work) and talked about it with him. instead, she fucks a douche-nugget (don’t ask what a douche-nugget is, i couldn’t tell you). it wasn’t cheating, but it was still stupid. at this point in the story, if nate nails a chick BEFORE he finds out that rose was with trevor, then he’s a douchebag. if, however, he bangs tracy or the other one AFTER he finds out, good for him, vengeance is always nice.
tl;dr man or woman, a slut is a slut.
Toaster
My ex did this after the gf he had after me, with a total bitch he had no business even talking to, if he cared about some of his guy friends.
I didn’t take it lightly then, either.
And yes, he tried the whole ‘I’m a guy, I can’t control myself’ thing, Didn’t buy it.
What you’re saying is, women should be allowed behave more like sh*tty men? Forgive me if I’m putting words in your mouth, but that’s what it sounds like.
Honestly, I see this attitude even sh*ttier than the people who restrict the acceptability of this kind of behavior to men. Sure, it’s not fair, but then only half the population get away with this kind of crap, and we all suffer less. It’s not a ‘since men can do it, why can’t I?’ thing, it’s a ‘no one should do that and that shouldn’t be acceptable’ thing.
And sure, it’s Rose’s right to sleep with whoever she wants. It’s also Aya’s right to not to be friends with a bitch who puts a quick f*ck over her best friends’s well-being and relationship with her brother. Oh, she didn’t take that into consideration? That excuse ends when you get eight candles on your cake.
fancypants
Your entire argument fell apart when you said “ex” … that person is your ex, you don’t have control over their sexuality anymore no matter how much you may or may not like it. Nate and Rose are no longer together, and there is nothing wrong with her moving on, just like Nate did.
Toaster
We’re good friends. Our opinions matter to each other. I know this is a foreign concept for most people, but I like to stay friends with my exes because I actually like them as people, even without sex involved.
Also, so what? I don’t see how that applies to anything, even if it were relevant.
fancypants
You’re the one who mentioned it as a preface to your argument, but whatever …
comichero
I’m gonna have to agree with toaster here just because they are an ex doesnt mean you stop carring for their well being and try ti desuaded them from making poor life choices especialy if the two of you are really good friends I see it as a testaments to toasters humanity that she was able to maintain a working and friendly realtionship with her ex’s. its a sad day that we as a speices can be soo vandictive that we would rather see a loved one wallow in pain an suffer rather then see them happy all cause they hurt us, but on the subject of Rose and her obvious lapse of sanity what can i say that hanst been said already was it a shit thing to do yes are her moral sensablitiesand motives for being with Nate suspect to scrutiny oh my god yes does this make her a bad person compaired to mulitiude of super shitty people in the entire histroy of shitty people no shes actual a saint the fact that she remained celibate and sex free for one man for seven months speaks volumes to her character and what kinda of person she is capable of becomeing if she finds the right people to surround herself with shes reaching a cross roads in her life and she has a very difficult choice a head of her whether she will grow as a human being andbecome some one she and aya can be proud of (or in this case as a charater) or is she going to regress and become some one she and aya would be disappointed in ,im going to venture a guess and say that while with Nate rose woke up inthe morning happier and was able to smile and lookher self in the eye every morning, i dont think once it sinks in what she has done she willregret her actions even more but this could have the reverse effect i for see and send her in a down ward spiral that she’ll have trouble pulling out of
fancypants
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be kind and stay friends with your ex(s). In fact, that’s awesome. But that is still not the point. Having sex with Trevor doesn’t make Rose a bad person, and if Nate has sex with Tracy that doesn’t make him a bad person either. They are free agents. But everyone seems to be hating on Rose because she has sex with someone … so what? That’s the only point I wanted to make.
It’s fun to see everyone so passionate about it, though. However, using punctuation can really increase your effective communication skills – just a thought. 😀
comichero
True enough i and i realize and know of my horrid grammar and punctuation, and i thiought i did a fair job of being on rose’s side i wasnt condeming her in anyway, just was sayng for some one whom was rather pissed at her idiocy for ruinning off the one guy she truely cared for other then as an object for sex, she has failed to see she’s made and uber dick move, and as she is human she is welcome to make as many and stupid choices she wishes and the same goes for Nate i do recall voiceing my warning agasint getting involved with a woman like tracy where rose isnt jaded and devoid of hope tracy is fairly cynical and beyond any help she is, bitch to her very core and any one who cant see that hasnt lived with true bitchery, and i envy you all.
but yes it is very nice to see people so passionate about some one that doesnt exist in this plane of reality out side on a sheet of paper or as bits of data floating about the minutre univisre man has created that we all enjoy and loved most commonly knowen as the internet, yet its kinda sad to think that we care more fore a semi-qausi fictional charater then actual events in our troubled world then again this maybe the only outliet for those whom feel that their opinion matters not, well im done ranting for now.
Also do realize I am acutely aware of how atrocious my grammer and punctuation are so there isnt really any further need to bring it up and so long as my message, my views and feelings felt some what then Im happy.
Toaster
Rose having sex with a stranger is not a big deal.
Rose having sex with the brother of her closest friend, whose relationship with him is strained, to say the least, makes her a bad person.
Our actions don’t only affect ourselves, we have to take what they do to others into consideration. Like I said, not doing so became inexcusable around third grade. Or if you have autism.
Tyler
*applauds* someone should give you a medal XD
Jeri
You’re sort of right, but I’m appalled that people don’t understand the moral ‘wrong’ here that Rose is pulling.
Basically – Nate is in the ‘right’ by trying to have a sensible relationship with Miranda. True, Tracy is pulling a sort of advanced bitch move on him, but his actions are yet to be decided.
Rose on the other hand, is literally fucking the first cock she sees, completely abandoning the ‘moral’ concept of friendship, and relationship by just fucking for fun, and doing it with her best friend’s relative.
If you cannot see what Rose is doing as very wrong, then you really, really need to sit back and take a better, different angled look at this situation for a few minutes. And don’t forget to go look up ‘Moral’ in the dictionary first so you can understand what you need to be looking for(or a lack there of)
Last Hussar
Agreed.
When I was 18/19/20 I was relaxed about this sort of thing (or as relaxed as I could be – being a bit of a Nate in the getting laid stakes) – one nighters – done it. Fuck freinds – done it.
Bill M.
Thomas O, to answer your questions, yes and yes. Even if you take up the previous Bill’s point, about hormones raging and stuff, Rose has a skewed view of sex. She looked back on her whole relationship with Nate as not fun because there was no sex. Her family’s whole situation doesn’t help out, and she’s ignoring when people try to help her. You want to know what I’d dealt with by the time I was 17? My dad had been divorced twice (my mom and a later wife) because of his physical abuse, dealt with a situation where my oldest half-sister on my mom’s side divorced her husband because he molested his daughter, and that’s the stuff I remember. By the time your 17 you’ve started to settle into the pattern of your life.
Rose may not have had to go through some of the stuff I had, but by 17 you’ve had to do some growing up emotionally. If she doesn’t get her head metaphorically out of her butt, she’s going to wind up just as bad as her mom, hopping into whatever bed she can find, stuck forever as trailer park trash.
BMeph
Wow, bill, you were pretty picky, what with needing a heartbeat and all.
😉
bill
well, that or a reasonably warm corpse
RotSman
Hrm…girls react differently to such things than guys do. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aya and Rose weren’t friends for much longer.
JMP No. 3
What Rose did was pretty fucked up. Not because of her ‘thang’ with Nate. For better or for worse, that ship has sailed for her and she’s a free agent, at liberty to bang any cock that floats her way. The thing is, she didn’t pick just *any* cock; she picked the cock of her best friends brother just for shits and giggles. So what happens when she’s tired of him and kicks him to the curb (I cannot imagine he’s entertaining enough in the sack to keep her interest) and he becomes a whinny emo bitch and/or a violent, jealous possessive ass about Rose. Aya has to *LIVE* with that shit, which will make her family life just fracking dandy. It makes Aya’s life complicated, dragging her, whether she wanted or not, into Rose’s train wreck of a life as a mangled passenger rather than just merely a horrified bystander watching the carnage. It’s just damned selfish and I wouldn’t blame Aya for telling her to fuck off. You don’t bring your shit into someone else house, dump it into the middle of their floor cause you were too lazy to take it somewhere else and then even *pretend* you respect them or even yourself.
Rose majorly dissed Aya and I think she needs a little time in the corner to get her shit together before anyone will play with her anymore.
BunnyRemix
Rose…I tried to like you. I honestly, TRIED. But…you’ve ceased giving me a reason to. All hope is abandoned for you from this point on. You are shameless. Maybe your upbringing is to blame, but that doesn’t excuse what you did just now. This was just…oh, my God. If Aya abandons your sorry ass, I have no pity for you. You’ve dug your own grave and you’ll need to make a pretty big leap to climb back out of it. I stand by what I said a while back; you have no right to call your sister a skank when you are clearly just as bad (if not worse) than her. Your life revolves around sex, which is just pathetic, especially for someone your age. You are on a road to nowhere at this rate. You may not realize it, but your sex addiction is gonna cost you so many great experiences. Nothing’s wrong with a little casual sex; I don’t condemn those who sleep around freely. But the way you go about it, you make it as though it’s all you have to look forward to. Clearly you need help before this bites you in the ass. You can’t let sex be the only thing in your life. Boinking a guy can’t be your only goal. Get a non-sexual hobbey. Or therapy. It’s not too late to save the rest of your life while you’re still young. The now is lost, but your future can be helped. Your sex addiction has clouded your judgement and made you selfish. It’s tiem to put your panties back on and start thinking with your brain, not your reproductive system.
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Look at me, I’m so mad, I’m lecturing a fictional character who can’t hear me! Maybe i should stop staying up so late…
Dr. wonderful
Oh, no I LIKE it when people get upset like this, It allowed me to see other people true reaction. Man, hadn’t have a fan backlash this hard since Zii screw that Milf in Menage’ 3
BunnyRemix
:3 Oh, okay then. Cool.
DorthLous
The backlash, compared to other work from the same author (like things he did in Eerie Cuties), was really not that big. You got to look at the size of the fan base as well. 1% of 100 is 1, but of 10k, it’s a 100.
Dr. wonderful
True, but it the only time I seen a thread had to be LOCKED on that site because of how upset people were and how worse the arguments were.
To tell you the truth…It was wonderful.
BMeph
Wow, I came late to that party; there was a backlash?
Because, really, Vinny’s mom is a hottie! I wouldn’t mind Zii “turning the screw (If You Know What I Mean…;)” and giving repeat performances, then making sure the kid knows why she’s there.
Kind of like Bruiser in The Guild.
Pink Freud
And let’s not forget, he has to convey all of this in 3-4 panels. This ain’t Doonesbury. There’s no room for massive amounts of internalization and soliloquy. There may well be more depth to Rose then can be conveyed in the space provided. Don’t forget that Nate’s date with Miranda was set up completely off-panel.
Then again, she could be just another vapid psycho hose beast.